Inkie14 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Roman Buck introduced me to this site a while back. It's called Ovogram. I highly recommend it! There are a large number of people from the United States on it. You basically create a profile, and add what colonies of what species you currently have. Then, you request "ovograms" from people, and they'll send you eggs or nymphs or sometimes adults of all sorts of species of cockroaches, beetles, butterflies, arachnids, etc. for free! You have the option of sending people insects in return but it's not required. I've already received 4 starter colonies of new roaches, and 1 small pack of caterpillars. Anyways, there it is, I hope you guys will like this site as much as I do. If you join, feel free to send me a message and maybe we can exchange ovograms! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcbpolish Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Don't be a "leech" if you join. Don't expect to get things if you're not willing to share. But it is a good community. Don't step on the toes of the lepidoptera people who started it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCrackerpants Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Who pays for postage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy1892 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Who pays for postage? Of course the person who receives the goods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCrackerpants Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Of course the person who receives the goods. Thanks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanBuck Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Nope, the person that sends it pays for postage I believe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Just registered..but wow am I confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcbpolish Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Alex, find me on the site (thomas dean) and use the email function to send me an email. Use the links on the top right side of the page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forcep Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 I have too many hissers to give away... if only I have time to pack and ship them lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcbpolish Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Nope, the person that sends it pays for postage I believe! Roman is correct. The sender pays for everything. The site is about sharing gifts. In return for sending an ovogram (originally intended to be a packet of moth ova, but now more types of organism are being shared) one receives credit within the system. Credit can be applied to offered insects, in order to let the offerer know that you are interested. There are more nuances to the trading system, but the "gist" of it is that you share what you have extra of, and (hopefully) someone will return the favor in the future. It was originally set up to be for sending moth ova- a pair of moths might produce hundreds to thousands of ova, which basically no one would be able to rear! So, if a member did not have a buyer for the ova, s/he might find someone interested through this site to send them to as a gift (ova can be packaged and sent for as little as $.70 American within the USA, and within a couple of bucks for international). Then the phasmid people showed up. Then a trickle of roach folks (I was at the beginning of this). The issue with roaches is that it costs more to send them, and one does not have the need to get rid of ova quickly - one can raise 100 roaches MUCH easier than 100 caterpillars that are extremely selective in their diet and need fresh leaves every other day or more. I suspect that comments like this on discussion boards may bring masses of people to the site, which is why I have refrained from posting about it, but since Inkie let the cat out of the bag, I thought I'd better chime in. FYI- it's an international community, and the Admin is Swedish. Sometimes language is off due to multiple non-native-english-speaking members. Basically, if you join the community, you make "brood diaries" about what you rear (make them private if you have a less-than-legal species... especially all you FL people) and when you have something to offer, you can advertise it to members (there is a classified section for this) or share it with whoever you like. You can also share in an anonymous manner. "Good" behavior on the site gets you resources that allow you to have more functions on the site. Logging in to the site regularly, as well as acknowledging the arrive of an "ovogram" get you iron. Iron has little value initially, but it is used for things once you have other resources and are established on the site. Sending someone livestock (an ovogram) generally get you a bronze or a gold. Bronze are awarded for sharing a species to someone who did not apply for it through the system (such as sharing it with a new member who has no resources to apply) and the bronze can be used 3x to apply for available ovograms on the classified page. Gold are awarded for sharing a species to someone who DID apply through the system. Gold can be used an infinite number of times... but only once a year. Nevermind about the other resources. They are for special situations or are upgrades of the two basic resources. There is emphasis in the Lepidopteran (moth, mostly) people to attempt to rear and share new wild stock. I personally have collected and reared some moths and shared them with the community. Moths are MUCH tougher than roaches!!! They also have more issue with inbred stock than we roach people do, causing more need to share stock. Joining with no intention of sharing will eventually get you labeled as a "leech" Also, many members WILL NOT share with people who don't have a history of sharing, or who seem to be abusing the system (2 people in the same town sending the same species back and forth, a person who sets up two accounts and sends things to themselves, etc) And if you have nothing to send, go look for caterpillars! ID them, rear them, breed them, share their ova. It's tougher than breeding roaches at times... but it is NOT as difficult as it sounds! If you choose to join the site, explore it, log on daily if possible, politely message members who have interests similar to yours, share your broods, and hope that someone might share with you in the future! Oh... and if you generally sell stock for $... you probably don't want to give away your merchandise, so maybe the site is not for you. But, since everything is voluntary, you never have to send something you don't want to send, or to a person you don't want to send it to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy1892 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Oh my gosh. Very weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy1892 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Keeping Eacles imperialis and luna moths are super easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcbpolish Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I went through 3 generations of P. isabella moths this summer. I started with 3 wild caterpillars. Shared them with lots of folks. They got too inbred, I think. I still have some L5 in cold storage. I'll bring them out in the spring and see if any survived... I also reared a generation of S. ricini, some O. antiqua moths, and have some wild-caught E. egle (milkweed tussock moth) in cocoons that I am hoping overwinter OK. Lots of cool species shared on the site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy1892 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 And you've actually got signs of inbreeding them in just 3 generations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcbpolish Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 With the isabellas? yes. The first generation (one male, one female) mated and laid ova that hatched really well. Their offspring (F1) mated, laid ova with a low hatch rate. F2 had several deformed specimens emerge from cocoons, and zero hatch rate, despite having a dozen of them them together. There was no F3, as none of the ova were viable. I presumed it was because they were inbred from a single pair who were collected in the same location, so were likely related to begin with. They were fun though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inkie14 Posted September 15, 2014 Author Share Posted September 15, 2014 Oh in no way am I encouraging being a leech! Just making sure everyone knows that sending organisms isn't absolutely required, but it will certainly increase your chances of receiving something again. I really love this site, and I figured that the owner might be happy to see his site grow, regardless of whether they are Lepidoptera breeders or Blattodea breeders! It takes a little while to learn how the system works, but I think it's worth it to take the time to learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCrackerpants Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 wcbpolish thanks for the added info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanBuck Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Roman Buck introduced me to this site a while back. It's called Ovogram. I highly recommend it! There are a large number of people from the United States on it. You basically create a profile, and add what colonies of what species you currently have. Then, you request "ovograms" from people, and they'll send you eggs or nymphs or sometimes adults of all sorts of species of cockroaches, beetles, butterflies, arachnids, etc. for free! You have the option of sending people insects in return but it's not required. I've already received 4 starter colonies of new roaches, and 1 small pack of caterpillars. Anyways, there it is, I hope you guys will like this site as much as I do. If you join, feel free to send me a message and maybe we can exchange ovograms! throw me under the bus!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 How do I advertise what I'm looking for? I'm looking for northern walking sticks but nobody seems to have them? I'm registered on the site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy1892 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 How do I advertise what I'm looking for? I'm looking for northern walking sticks but nobody seems to have them? I'm registered on the site. I have many Manomera blatchleyi eggs. But I am going to keep them in the refrigerator during the winter and take them out to hatch during the spring so that I will have cherry and black berry leaves. I do not know if I am keeping them right. I keep them in moist sand and the eggs are covered over by moss and I have many holes in the lid. Some others I just keep on moist sand without any moss to cover them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcbpolish Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 How do I advertise what I'm looking for? I'm looking for northern walking sticks but nobody seems to have them? I'm registered on the site. Keith, There is a phasmida discussion board that you can post to. The system is designed to be an outlet for people who have too much of something, so there is not a "wanted species" system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Android raptor Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Registered as I usually have hissers I can spare and easy access to P. fuliginosa (though no idea if anyone wants those guys since they're somewhat of a pest). Looking for more B. giganteus and dubias at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanBuck Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I wouldnt mind getting some of those "pest" roaches! send them my way! I would take great care of those lol. How well do they breed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Android raptor Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I don't know as I've never actually kept them proper, just that they're common on the porch during warm months and come inside every now and then. Its starting to get cooler though, so maybe I should gather some up before they start disappearing for the winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy1892 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I have had one female lay a few oothecae and now I have many babies so I think they breed fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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